Treat med school like Top Gun in that you don't give yourself points for second best. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Fellowship, if you choose to do one, is similar, but for me the chance to take care of patients and do cases I loved made the hard work more bearable. Your classmates aren't the average college student, they are the best of the best. Unfortunately, the lifestyle of a surgeon is infamous and I have often heard it said that you should not pursue a career in surgery unless you absolutely cannot find anything else you might enjoy. I hear that hand surgeons typically work decent hours though. Must surgical residents end up pushing the 80-hour work week limit pretty hard, if not commonly going over. That's just how things go. If that’s an easy task? As a surgicalist, i work seven 24 hour shifts a month and get 23 days off, so my lifestyle i would argue is better than most. Is this an impossible task for an ortho surgeon? Hey all, I'm a current M3 and have narrowed down my specialty choice to three fields, with ortho being one of them. I think it's important to remember that the training years, though tough, are not just for you but also for your patients. Hell no. Medscape's 2013 Physician Lifestyle Report provides physicians insights on how burnout may affect or not affect their lifestyle choices and experiences. The well-being of our residents is a priority of the Ohio State Department of Surgery. I'm currently wrangling up all the 11-12 year old girls at my kids' swim meet. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Hello reddit! I will be pushed to my limits and then some. So surgeons of reddit, do you really work 80+ hours per week? Do you regret pursuing a career in surgery? American College of Surgeons 633 N Saint Clair Street Chicago, IL 60611-3295. I figure you're making something north of $300k, so it seems almost humorous that someone that makes so much is still having troubles. Even though I found surgery awesome and could certainly see myself being a surgeon, the lifestyle was a non-starter for me. Admittedly, I have never met a surgeon that is that old (although I don't know many surgeons). Thanks for reminding myself and probably many others that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and a good reason for the tough, long road ahead. It's difficult to do, and you won't have a lot of time for yourself, but you can definitely make family time. Meticulous. --- LIKE AND I WILL UPLOAD MORE REDDIT STORIES! This is a highly moderated subreddit. No one really likes people with a Top Gun mentality--where do you think they got the term "gunner"? We have a new guy joining the practice this summer and he's gonna assume the role of call-slave so my income will take a hit but I'll be done at 5:00 just about every day. Three adjectives to describe the typical orthopaedic surgeon: Male (but changing). Be more dedicated than you thought you could be. Once you deal with home call during residency, the lifestyle isn't bad. Long hours, demanding situations, and an immense body of knowledge to master. Study hard. So thats 5 years. In surgery, the training is rigorous and the lifestyle that accompanies a busy surgical practice is taxing, but surgery is also one of the most rewarding fields of medicine. The amount of subject material in this field is enormous, it ranges from hands, spines, sports, pediatric, tumor to feet/ankles and deformity to trauma. There is still time for family, but it is long hours. So far. # # … Not an orthopedic surgeon, but a surgical subspecialist (ophtho). Some people consider lifestyle when deciding what specialty to choose. Not an orthopedic surgeon, but a surgical subspecialist (ophtho). /r/medicine is a virtual lounge for physicians and other medical professionals from around the world to talk about the latest advances, controversies, ask questions of each other, have a laugh, or share a difficult moment. Last month I took 24 calls covering the Ortho trauma and hand/wrist call schedules at two different hospitals (often at the same time). For me, lifestyle and passion were the two most important factors that influenced my specialty choice. your future patients are rooting for you to be the best doctor you can be. Ortho lifestyle after residency Start; Prev; 1; 2; Next; End; 1; 2; lowfatcanto; Topic Author; Visitor 9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #30528 by lowfatcanto. I know freshly minted orthopods work 70-80 hrs a week to make a name for themselves, improve their surgical skills, and prove their worth to the partners. A vascular surgeon called 'getridofwires' eh? Initially, I was interested in Emergency Medicine and then Urology. In private practice your call is set up based on your group or if you're solo, but you rarely will be in the office past 4-5PM unless you're really trying to ramp up your volume. Thanks a lot for any and all info. Orthopedic surgeon lifestyle is not easy. etc.) 2nd best is fine--actually it's great. How long does it usually take to make partner in orthopaedics? For now, though, study harder than you ever thought possible. “I’m guessing he works in finance, likely trading/stocks/hedge funds,” one user posted. Surgeons of Reddit: can you describe what your lifestyle is like out of residency? I think it may be possible in the near future to have a career as a general surgeon and also have a manageable lifestyle. Inspiring brosef. May not be as bad as GS but if you want a lifestyle specialty you should stay away from surgery. Your patients are also super sick. In private practice your call is set up based on your group or if you're solo, but you rarely will be in the office past 4-5PM unless you're really trying to ramp up your volume. How my lifestyle matches or differs from what I envisioned in medical school: I have surprised myself by finding a practice environment not as demanding as what I experienced for 25 years and expected as a student. Married for 17 years. Some time in the research lab can give you a mental health break, and let you publish something to further your career. Please share your experience with me. They are the ones who allows us to move, work and be active. What did you do for money during all that time? None of the senior guys in my practice work past 5:00. This could force longer hours than you otherwise would have wanted. Ever. We stress the importance of a healthy work-life balance. As a civilian, I made the decision to dominate the call schedule. But then i work my extra jobs because i'm bored, but that's a personal decision. Ortho lifestyle is better than neurosurgery, but that's … Other than that, good advice. Sep 16, 2010 #4 Ortho trauma is especially brutal from what I've heard. People like you are the reason why I am still subscribed to this subreddit. Given our likely age differences, I have a personal interest in your success: I'll be getting older and might need your help right about the time you finish training. Thank you. We are understaffed at my program, which is an academic program, so most of the surgeons I know do not have a great work … Is it really as bad as everyone makes it seem? I pick the lifestyle of general surgery: operating, constantly improving my skills, and giving my patients the opportunity for a better life. Plenty of time for life as an orthopod. Thanks a lot for all of your encouragement. I think I might be the naysayer in this group, but YES, I work 80+ hours a week, YES, I'm under constant stress, and NO, I probably wouldn't recommend this job to others. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. How is the state of ortho private practice these days? naus Junior Member. Cookies help us deliver our Services. r/Askreddit Doctors, surgeons, and nurses reveal the strangest things people have said while under anesthesia. You pick the job you take, so of course you know the hours and the situation. As an attending you would technically have the freedom to work as much or as little as you want, however realize that if you join a group there might be earnings "minimums" that would force you to "produce" a certain amount. You have an obligation to those sick people that will need your help in the future to learn as much as possible and do your best. I know a lot can change in the next couple of years and I still have A LOT to learn in terms of different medical careers but I am considering pursuing career in a surgical specialty. 15+ Year Member. Two (mostly tolerable) kids. Obviously, residency would be tough... but anyone have any insight into this? Well, Beverly Hills plastic surgeon Glenn Vallecillos did a Reddit AMA (“Ask me anything”) to answer questions about celebrity clients, liposuction, and the future of the mysterious medical field. Surgeons of reddit, are your lifestyles really as terrible as everyone thinks? Ortho lifestyle after residency was created by lowfatcanto. Do you guys have any questions about medicine, surgery, medical school … And read "So You Want To Be A Surgeon" by my friends Kaj Johansen MD and David Heimbach MD. I plan to attend medical school and want to become an ortho surgeon, but I know it's definitely too early to make that call right now. Good surgeons are in demand everywhere. Thanks. /r/medicine is a virtual lounge for physicians and other medical professionals from around the world to talk about the latest advances, controversies, ask questions of each other, have a laugh, or share a difficult moment. How old are the senior surgeons at your practice who don't work past 5? I rotated through private practice ortho in January and they were so happy and satisfied with their job it made me ridiculously jealous. It’s exhausting, to say the least. I know surgeons working at Kaiser that work 35-40 hours a week and make 400k. General surgery is known for an intense residency: 30 hour calls and four days off in a month. I know a lot can change in the next couple of years and I still have A LOT to learn in terms of different medical careers but I am considering pursuing career in a surgical specialty. Once you deal with home call during residency, the lifestyle isn't bad. Please read the rules carefully before posting or commenting. Thank you for your honesty It's not easy to speak up like this, but it's really appreciated, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He found time to have dinner with us every night (with the very rare exception) and went to all my sports games (which was torture for him). They pay me to take call, so I take a shit-ton of it. About the Ads. Vascular surgery: Another very tough lifestyle. Toll free: 800-621-4111 (P) 312-202-5000 (F) 312-202-5001 (E) postmaster@facs.org Very little after hours stuff. Of course I could google about it, but wanted to hear from this community as well. I set alarm for 6:00 and snooze a lot. in pursuit of other things when choosing a field. Most Reddit users suspected the author worked in finance due to the “high stakes” reference. 10 Worst Medical Specialties For Lifestyle Published on April 26, 2017 at 1:07 am by Madison Morgan in Lists Share Tweet Email In the army, with the exception of deployments, it's typically a 7-5 job. There is data showing you will work more as a vascular surgeon than nearly every other field. 100 votes, 201 comments. I did not make a decision until the end of my 3rd year of medical school. Good luck, your future patients are rooting for you to be the best doctor you can be. They also gave me a fantastic student evaluation and offered to write me a letter of recommendation for residency apps so I got over it :). Surgery continues to evolve. When you finish, you have more control over your schedule. Plastic surgeons are trained to operate all over the body, though I can operate more on the face than others because of my fellowship in craniofacial surgery. Do I get satisfaction from what I do? What a great reminder to keep working hard. So, my hours are long and many days are from 6:30 to 8:00 PM, but I did that because of the money and after a very lengthy conversation with the wife and ankle biters. We all have families and social lives. Thanks! Did you know if you do a amputation on someone for peripheral vascular disease, their odds of being ALIVE 3 years later are only 50%? By the time you finish training, everyone will be in group or hospital-based practices. This is a highly moderated subreddit. With general surgery training, research time and my vascular fellowship combined, I did nine years training post-med school. If you're desperate to do surgery then ENT or Urology have relatively good hours . Hello reddit! People get into trouble when they try and ignore things that are important to them (e.g., lifestyle, interest in the field, etc. Press J to jump to the feed. Oct 18, 2004 391 27 Status. That's how sick your patients are. Orthopedic surgeons deal with the entire musculoskeletal system, from birth until our last breath of life. According to the Reddit post, the bride’s father underwent “intense dental surgery” last month that ended up not working. This'll seem like a strange question, but - how much money trouble were you really having? I've talked to some plastic surgeons who say their 7 years of residency were tough, but now they work "bank hours" and absolutely love the lifestyle. Please read the rules carefully before posting or commenting. Not a fan of the interventionalist stealing all your cases? Would you recommend against someone else pursuing a career in a surgery? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Fresh AskReddit Stories: What is the worst/most awkward thing a healthcare professional has said to you while doing their job? I am an orthopedic surgeon on the east coast. As a consultant colorectal surgeon at St. Mary’s Hospital London, James’ clinical interests are in minimally invasive and laparoscopic surgery for the treatment of colorectal cancer. We ( u/ScheisskopfFTW and u/PrestigeWombat) are back for our 3rd AMA about Lily, ... James works on colorectal surgery and the gut microbiome. Press J to jump to the feed. After training, the average general surgeon works 50-60 hours per week (not including time available for call). Head and neck surgeon here. But I am absolutely fascinated by surgery and I would hate to give up on my dream just because I was uninformed and afraid of what my future lifestyle might be like. I am about to go into my intern year for surgery, and I unfortunately have not met a lot of surgeons outside of my own med school/residency program whom I can ask about this stuff. Are you under constant stress? Know anatomy, pathophysiology and pharmacology better than you know your own name. My god, man. However, I also want to have enough time for my future wife and kids and be home everyday, and watch my kids grow up since I know many surgeons or physicians in general don't really have quality family time. I haven't gotten up at 4AM since Ranger School. All depends on what you're willing to do. Absolutely. Hi Reddit! Demanding. Do you find that your peers often feel over-worked and tend to view their job as relatively temporary? And you can always change jobs if the current one doesn't work for you or your family. If you wanna make … Am I good at it? Is it a whole process or just a request. Is it going to be what I do for the rest of my life? Relatively sure armyortho is really someone translating ortho into English. Or you could be an acute care surgeon with fixed hours. It used to be a book but now it's at the FACS web site: http://www.facs.org/residencysearch/. Theres a significant amount of trauma that ortho gets called to also so it would also depend on your call schedule. “General surgery residency training can be challenging at times but what makes it worthwhile, fun and memorable are the relationships you form with your colleagues during training years.” Do residents have time for a personal life? While I agree you should study hard, I don't like the "me vs. my classmates" attitude. 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